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Rational GoodnessArchive for December, 2008
Moral Questions To Christians
I am amazed at the discussions of morality that arise between theists and atheists, particularly the claims of the former. The idea that God is necessary to our moral behavior results in rather shocking statements. At this time, I’m not going to support a secular conception of morality, but just to ask Christians mostly to listen to themselves when they articulate their position. I was rereading the 07 Newsweek debate between Sam Harris and Rick Warren, and inspired to write once again by the all-to-common, appalling statements made about a God-dependent behavior. Rick Warren said:
“If death is the end, shoot, I’m not going to waste another minute being altruistic.”
Honestly?
I’m far too familar with similar claims that “without God, nothing would stop me from murdering and pillaging and raping. Survival of the fittest, right?”
REALLY? God is the only thing stopping you from doing that? I do not find that a superior moral position. I don’t do those things because they’re wrong subjectively, affectionately, rationally, and even in an evolutionary scheme from which they failed to derive a solid argument.
I can’t believe that is honest. I would just ask that those who subscribe to such claims would reconsider if that’s what they really believe, and come up with a better assessment of secular moral constructions.
Secondly, I must ask Christians this:
If you went back in time to Jesus’s cruxifiction (or the beating and torture beforehand), having the means to do so, would you stop it? Would you make the ultimate sacrifice of your salvation to save another?
Finding Darwin’s God
Last night I decided to get around to reading Ken Miller’s Finding Darwin’s God: A Scientist’s Search For Common Ground Between God And Evolution. As my favorite scientist, I owed him an opportunity to express his views as to the main point upon which we disagree. After much consideration, though, my views have not changed, yet I may have more respect for his. I fear that this review will be rather harsh, therefore I must initially express my vast degree of fondness for the book. From the fact that I read it in one sitting, one could rightly infer that it was a real page-turner. Miller beautifully defends Darwin from the the fossil record to the mechanism of natural selection. However, I did not read the book to strengthen my belief in evolution. I read it to challenge my conclusion that any meaningful conception of God cannot coexist with scientific and philosophical scrutiny. I feel that this review will not do justice to the brilliance of the first half of the text, but, unfortunately, appreciation doesn’t make for as good of a read.
I cannot say that Professor Miller did not fulfill the initial premise. The title of the book declares exactly what one would hope to find, common ground between God and evolution. He does not attempt to support theism as evolution. He does not attempt to argue biblical inerrancy. He does not attempt to “prove” God. Quite to the contrary, he suggests that the bible cannot be literally true. What he does do is argue that science and religion are in different domains, that there are limits to science, not established by man’s lack of knowledge, but limits imposed both by scientific findings and definition. Not only is it beyond a scientific inquiry to discern meaning from the evidence in any higher, moral sense, but even at it’s most basic quantum level, our understanding tends to collapse. There is much to say on this point, though I will leave much of it with the book.
It was once an argument against the necessity for a creator to explain natural law, and it still is, but to Miller, it is also a powerful tool to God. On the quantum level, the laws of nature no longer apply. We cannot predict much of the actions of much of the subatomic activity, not by a lack of knowledge, but in principle. They truly are indeterminate. However, the statistical averages of these indeterminate events give us the predictable happenings at our superatomic level. I’ll also leave the reader to either figure out to consult the book for as to what this means for God’s place.
Getting to my main point, Miller once said at a lecture on the Dover trial, “I’m a Roman Catholic. I believe in a creator in the vaguest sense.” He justifies well how such a vague creator could exist without conflicting with modern science. However, he’s missing much of the conflict. The conflict lies not with those with abstract conceptions of God and modern science. The problem arises with religion and modern science, when one materializes the workings of the designer. In the book, he writes that religion can coexist without being disfigured beyond any traditional understanding. This, he cannot defend. Perhaps it is wrong to take the philosophical implications of evolution labeled as science, and to use it against religion. But, that is not the problem as I see it. The problem is what happens to religion when it’s mythological foundations are corroded away by the “universal acid”, the science. Then, without these, there is a deep rooted problem. I cannot recall who wrote, wisely, that if we cannot trust the Bible’s history, how can we trust its morals? Simply put, one can’t.
Miller rightly quotes Richard Dawkins on this issue:
“The trouble is that God in this sophisticated, physicist’s sense bears no resemblance to the God of the Bible or any other religion. If a physicist says God is another name for Planck’s constant, or God is a superstring, we should take it as a picturesque metaphorical way of saying that the nature of superstrings or the value of Planck’s constant is a profound mystery. It has obviously not the smallest connection with a being capable of forgiving sins, a being who might listen to prayers, who cares about whether or not the Sabbath begins at 5 pm or 6pm, whether you wear a veil or have a bit of arm showing; and no connection whatever with a being capable of imposing a death penalty on His son to expiate the sins of the world before and after he was born.”
The problem is not that science conflicts with God. The problem is that science causes philosophical conundrums within religion that it cannot withstand. I’m sorry Professor Miller, but these philosophical plagues, religion cannot survive. What happens when the bible cannot be literally true? What happens when original sin fades away? What happens when the fall of man never happened? What happens when Moses was never given the 10 commandments? What happens when Jesus may never have existed? The only way to prevent the erosion of such religious thought from being grotesquely disfigured is to not think, not consider these implications, to have faith. That may even be fine. You can believe whatever you like. The problem arises when you impose it on others. Then, it demands justification. It demands its own suicide.
The Electoral College Is Ridiculous
I’m not suggesting the replacement of the electoral college for a direct popular vote, though I am suggesting abolishing the electoral college in a sense, as it could no longer bear that name. A simple reformation would not eliminate ANY of its benefits, but would fix its most deep rooted flaw. Unless of course, one considers it a benefit to piss off the liberals.
The electoral college basically works like this…
The popular vote of a state determines which electors will get to vote, as electors have pledged to vote for certain candidates, and have been chosen by the respective political parties. In addition, 48 states have a all-or-none system, where the state will automatically get all the electoral votes, as determined by the popular vote.
Why the fuck is this here? What is the point of these electors? Wouldn’t it be much better to simply allow the popular vote be the basis for who wins the state, giving the same value, and skip the electors all together? It’s an entirely unnecessary step. It would have the same effect, the same results, and reinstate the people’s feeling that their vote matters.
Spiritual Experience & The Brain
A study by Missouri University found that spiritual experiences, such as transcendence, whether through prayer or mediation, correspond to the same neurological activity.
The full article is here.
This is incredibly interesting, further findings that these “special feelings” that people get with religious experiences are not only not unique to their religion, but associated with the same physiological response. How much longer are we going to be invoking some dualist mind type situation with so much being learned about the brain? The evidence just keeps piling up for the idea that these feelings just accompany the human experience, derived from our physiology, not some celestial message.
But, the most interesting finding of all is that these spiritual feelings are correlated with decreased activity in the right side of the brain, and people with brain damage to this area feel them more strongly.
Decreased brain activity leads to religion? Isn’t this what atheists have been saying all along? :D
Finals Are Over! (Damn You 24 Hour Fitness)
Well, I haven’t put anything up in over two days, and I’ve just slept after staying up for a couple of days as well. Though, I just finished my last final in politics, and from one of the essay prompts, I’m sure one can guess what may have been a problem.
“To what extent was President Bush successful after 9/11 in addressing the following issues:
a) restructuring the bureaucracy
b) investigating potential terrorist attacks
c) preventing violence against those of middle eastern descent”
Well, it’s all fine and dandy to say “We stopped 19 attacks since 9/11, and we didn’t end up with Arab concentration camps. Thanks President Bush!” But, we’ve got to examine this in respect to the appropriateness of the processes that lead up to those ends. We ended up with necessary bridges of communication between different agencies like the FBI, CIA, etc. That was the best thing. We ended up with the USA PATRIOT act. That’s questionable. We ended up with the Department of Homeland Security. That’s really questionable. We ended up with Gitmo. That’s questionable too. We’re these a big stomp on our civil rights? Not really, no. Except for Ashcroft. He’s an ass. The Patriot Act is not for taking out strip clubs. They don’t invoke fear to press a political agenda (Quite the opposite: arousal for money). Where Bush fucked up is the “Central Front”, Iraq, and his staggeringly low popularity. How can we say a representative of the US is successful with such dislike from the public? I may cover these issues in more detail. You may be surprised to read a left winger without hatred of the Patriot Act or Gitmo.
We also had an essay on the electoral college. I’ll cover that one too later.
But, worst of all! 24 Hour Fitness called me in for my second interview the morning before my final, so I didn’t get any sleeping in, and almost missed my final because of it!
Thank God For Kidney Stones?
Fazale Rana over at Reasons To Believe argues that a jagged mineral buildup tearing its way through a kidney is evidence of a perfect designer. No no, not in the way that literally going to hell would likely suggest a designer. Kidney stones are merely a consequence of the best system like rape is a consequence of free will, neither of which God could fix apparently.
The significant portion of the article focuses on one of the causes of kidney stones, excess uric acid. This breakdown product of DNA & RNA isn’t particularly soluble in blood, having the effect of accumulating in the urinary tract. Rana attempts to refute the claims made by evolutionists that this imperfect process would indicate imperfect design. He counters with “This perspective fails to consider, however, uric acid’s full range of metabolic properties, some of which are beneficial.” He then goes on to list one, disguised as several: it’s an antioxidant.
The most prominent instance of blunder is the description of the cause of excess uric acid production: “an inborn error in metabolism”. It sounds as though the argument is basically “your system can fuck up a bit, but when that happens, it’s not always all bad”.
Minor cancer prevention is not evidence of a perfect designer that could have abolished cancer. Sickle cell anemia is not evidence of a perfect designer that could have abolished malaria. Sorry, creationists, but your “fall of man” analogy doesn’t help you here. God made a jungle, and cast us out into it, but at least he loves us enough to give us a stick to protect ourselves with. Great. . .
In Defense Of Abiogenesis, An Introduction
I would be the first to admit that a modern cell in its entirety with its billions of base pairs of DNA forming directly by means of some animo acids collecting just right would be quite a stretch.
There is still much we don’t know about the origins of life, however, with a little research as to things we do know, abiogenesis (which doesn’t suggest the content of the first sentence), is significantly more plausible. First, one must understand that modern cells have gone through just as much evolutionary processes as complex humans have. One should not assume that cells are exactly the same today as they were two billion years ago.
But, I digress. Cell biology is not my topic. Amino acids mixing to a cell in any common conception of the word was likely not the case. Have many forgotten that there are many things more basic then cells? The first thing that comes to mind is a virus, an agent about 100 times smaller than bacteria, and technically “not alive” by definition in the cell theory. They possess a genome, and undergo the same evoutionary processes as cells. However, the possibility of viruses evolving into cells like bacteria technically being life from non-life, I can see how such would be an unsatisfactory answer. However, viruses still have quite a degree of complexity, so let’s look even smaller.
Plasmids are replicating DNA molecules autonomous of the chromosomal DNA within a suitable host. They have been found to be as small as a thousand bases pairs. We’ve gone from modern cells in all their complexity to plasmids as our simplest known replicons, billions of base pairs to a mere thousand without such intricate components. With the understanding of the ability for a chemical soup to form into animo acids, instrinsic to the DNA molecule, the formation of something like a plasmid seems significantly more plausible.
Anticipation criticism, one could mention that viruses and plasmids, as we know them, require a host. Yes, this is true. I would answer this question with my second sentence. There is still much we don’t know about the origin of life. My intent was solely to attest that abiogeneis is conceivable, and not the fatal blow to evolution that creationists make it to be.
Abiogenesis, Spontaneous Generation, and Thermodynamics
Many creationists like to claim that abiogenesis violates scientific principles in that living matter cannot come from non-living matter. At least they’re consistent in the literalistic interpretation of wording that leads them to lunacy. Their misunderstanding of the meaning of abiogenesis and spontaneous generation is staggering.
Amino acids combining into primitive RNA is not the same as a bird spawning from a tree or a frog materializing out of thin air. That sounds closer to what the creationist is asserting as to the origins of life, with divine intervention of course.
Secondly, an even more common claim is that evolution (chemical or biological) violates the second law of thermodynamics in that things tend to become more disorderly over time, contradicting with the increasing complexity of organisms within the theory of evolution. If you subscribe to that assumption, you can do your own research. I just have one thing to say on that: pregnancy.
But, dogmatically misinterpreting principles referring to certain situations is very much like if I were to make the following argument.
Creationism violates the first law of thermodynamics which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. If energy cannot be created, God could not have created it.
It’s a funny argument though.
Not Even McCain Would Support A Palin Presidency
On ABC’s “This Week”, John McCain was asked if he would support Sarah Palin if she ran for President in 2012. He replied “I can’t say something like that. We’ve got some great other young governors. I think you’re going to see the governors assume a greater leadership role in our Republican Party.” He knew she was just there to energize the base as a political ploy. She wouldn’t have been suited for the job in a McCain administration, and the thought of her own makes me shiver. Though, I’m more than open to the idea of her with the republican nomination; it just means another very interesting, very laughable campaign, and another democrat in office.
Damn, John, what a maverick! Sounds like the status quo in politics to me.
Bush Attacked By Shoes
President Bush made his farewell visit to Iraq today, attempting to convey improved conditions by landing in broad daylight, and passing the fortified Green Zone. During a conference with Prime Minister Maliki, shoes were thrown at him from an Iraqi journalist yelling, “This is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog”. Unfortunately, I don’t think he meant “dog” as the friendly euphemism. Throwing shoes is an insult in middle eastern cultures. The full article is here.

Maliki attempts to block the speeding shoe.
