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Christopher Hitchens v.s. William Lane Craig @ Biola

On Saturday, April 4, I went to the debate at Biola University to see the folks mentioned above.  The topic, of course, was “Does God Exist?”.

I never would have thought some 10,000 people would gather to see a debate, as nobody’s around when I want to discuss those topics.  This was the Super Bowl of debates, it seems.  They sold so many tickets, most of us had to watch it off a live feed in nearby buildings.  People started lining up to get in the gym 5 hours early.  That was rather disappointing, as I had a few questions to ask in the Q&A portion, but they only ended up taking questions from Biola students.  Their questions kinda sucked, especially one to Mr. Hitchens on if he thought that the Bible was correct in forbidding sex with animals.

Though I sided with Hitchens, Craig was probably the second best Christian apologist I’ve seen debate (Dinesh D’Souza is the first).  He was certainly spoken like a philosopher.  He was incredibly structured, and provided the bulk of his argument in advance on the handout we were given:

1) Cosmological Argument (first cause)

2) Teleological Argument (from design)

3) Moral Argument (no objective morals without God)

4) Evidence for Jesus’s resurrection

5) Argument from Personal Experience

Hitchens, on the other hand, was spoken more like a writer.  I mean even though he was less structured, and probably harder to follow if I hadn’t been so familar with his style, he was certainly funnier.  I remember a couple gems of his off the top of my head:

“Would you prefer a Wahabi baby or an atheist baby?” – Hitchens putting Craig on the spot.

“Of course you have free will; the boss insists upon it!” – Hitchens on the Christian perspective

I’m not about to go through all the arguments in the post.  I’ll probably hit up a couple of points that I think Hitchens missed or didn’t have time for pretty soon though.

However, I do have to say, yet again, that Craig really missed the foundation of Hitchens’ position which can be summed up as “There’s no evidence for God, and I’m glad”.  Here’s where Craig really fucked up.  He said something like,

“You’re talking about atheism like it’s some sort of a-theism.” Duh.  That’s what it is.  Atheism isn’t necessarily the position that “God does not exist”.  It’s the lack of belief in a God.  Some atheists think we hit this point too hard, but it’s crucial to our position.  It’s necessary to view the argument properly that theists are making the claim, and thus have the burden of proof or evidence.

On a much happier note, I got to meet Mr. Hitchens, have my book signed, and even took a shitty cell phone picture with him.  I thought about what to say to him all throughout the debate, and it came to me when a student asked him what the meaning of life could be without God.  Hitchens said something like how, for him, it is to be free and help others be free as well.  It was perfect.  I shook his hand, and thanked him for “helping me be free too”.  Here’s us!

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- Dylan

Moral Questions To Christians

I am amazed at the discussions of morality that arise between theists and atheists, particularly the claims of the former.  The idea that God is necessary to our moral behavior results in rather shocking statements.  At this time, I’m not going to support a secular conception of morality, but just to ask Christians mostly to listen to themselves when they articulate their position.  I was rereading the 07 Newsweek debate between Sam Harris and Rick Warren, and inspired to write once again by the all-to-common, appalling  statements made about a God-dependent behavior.  Rick Warren said:

“If death is the end, shoot, I’m not going to waste another minute being altruistic.”

Honestly?

I’m far too familar with similar claims that “without God, nothing would stop me from murdering and pillaging and raping.  Survival of the fittest, right?”

REALLY?  God is the only thing stopping you from doing that?  I do not find that a superior moral position.  I don’t do those things because they’re wrong subjectively, affectionately, rationally, and even in an evolutionary scheme from which they failed to derive a solid argument.

I can’t believe that is honest.  I would just ask that those who subscribe to such claims would reconsider if that’s what they really believe, and come up with a better assessment of secular moral constructions.

Secondly, I must ask Christians this:

If you went back in time to Jesus’s cruxifiction (or the beating and torture beforehand), having the means to do so, would you stop it?  Would you make the ultimate sacrifice of your salvation to save another?

Finding Darwin’s God

Last night I decided to get around to reading Ken Miller’s Finding Darwin’s God: A Scientist’s Search For Common Ground Between God And Evolution.  As my favorite scientist, I owed him an opportunity to express his views as to the main point upon which we disagree.  After much consideration, though, my views have not changed, yet I may have more respect for his.  I fear that this review will be rather harsh, therefore I must initially express my vast degree of fondness for the book.  From the fact that I read it in one sitting, one could rightly infer that it was a real page-turner.  Miller beautifully defends Darwin from the the fossil record to the mechanism of natural selection.  However, I did not read the book to strengthen my belief in evolution.  I read it to challenge my conclusion that any meaningful conception of God cannot coexist with scientific and philosophical scrutiny.  I feel that this review will not do justice to the brilliance of the first half of the text, but, unfortunately, appreciation doesn’t make for as good of a read.

I cannot say that Professor Miller did not fulfill the initial premise.  The title of the book declares exactly what one would hope to find, common ground between God and evolution.  He does not attempt to support theism as evolution.  He does not attempt to argue biblical inerrancy.  He does not attempt to “prove” God.  Quite to the contrary, he suggests that the bible cannot be literally true.  What he does do is argue that science and religion are in different domains, that there are limits to science, not established by man’s lack of knowledge, but limits imposed both by scientific findings and definition.  Not only is it beyond a scientific inquiry to discern meaning from the evidence in any higher, moral sense, but even at it’s most basic quantum level, our understanding tends to collapse.  There is much to say on this point, though I will leave much of it with the book.

It was once an argument against the necessity for a creator to explain natural law, and it still is, but to Miller, it is also a powerful tool to God.  On the quantum level, the laws of nature no longer apply.  We cannot predict much of the actions of much of the subatomic activity, not by a lack of knowledge, but in principle.  They truly are indeterminate.  However, the statistical averages of these indeterminate events give us the predictable happenings at our superatomic level.  I’ll also leave the reader to either figure out to consult the book for as to what this means for God’s place.

Getting to my main point, Miller once said at a lecture on the Dover trial, “I’m a Roman Catholic.  I believe in a creator in the vaguest sense.”  He justifies well how such a vague creator could exist without conflicting with modern science.  However, he’s missing much of the conflict.  The conflict lies not with those with abstract conceptions of God and modern science.  The problem arises with religion and modern science, when one materializes the workings of the designer.  In the book, he writes that religion can coexist without being disfigured beyond any traditional understanding.  This, he cannot defend.  Perhaps it is wrong to take the philosophical implications of evolution labeled as science, and to use it against religion.  But, that is not the problem as I see it.  The problem is what happens to religion when it’s mythological foundations are corroded away by the “universal acid”, the science.  Then, without these, there is a deep rooted problem.  I cannot recall who wrote, wisely, that if we cannot trust the Bible’s history, how can we trust its morals?  Simply put, one can’t.

Miller rightly quotes Richard Dawkins on this issue:

“The trouble is that God in this sophisticated, physicist’s sense bears no resemblance to the God of the Bible or any other religion.  If a physicist says God is another name for Planck’s constant, or God is a superstring, we should take it as a picturesque metaphorical way of saying that the nature of superstrings or the value of Planck’s constant is a profound mystery.  It has obviously not the smallest connection with a being capable of forgiving sins, a being who might listen to prayers, who cares about whether or not the Sabbath begins at 5 pm or 6pm, whether you wear a veil or have a bit of arm showing; and no connection whatever with a being capable of imposing a death penalty on His son to expiate the sins of the world before and after he was born.”

The problem is not that science conflicts with God.  The problem is that science causes philosophical conundrums within religion that it cannot withstand.  I’m sorry Professor Miller, but these philosophical plagues, religion cannot survive.  What happens when the bible cannot be literally true?  What happens when original sin fades away?  What happens when the fall of man never happened?  What happens when Moses was never given the 10 commandments?  What happens when Jesus may never have existed?  The only way to prevent the erosion of such religious thought from being grotesquely disfigured is to not think, not consider these implications, to have faith.  That may even be fine.  You can believe whatever you like.  The problem arises when you impose it on others.  Then, it demands justification.  It demands its own suicide.

Spiritual Experience & The Brain

A study by Missouri University found that spiritual experiences, such as transcendence, whether through prayer or mediation, correspond to the same neurological activity.

The full article is here.

This is incredibly interesting, further findings that these “special feelings” that people get with religious experiences are not only not unique to their religion, but associated with the same physiological response.  How much longer are we going to be invoking some dualist mind type situation with so much being learned about the brain?  The evidence just keeps piling up for the idea that these feelings just accompany the human experience, derived from our physiology, not some celestial message.

But, the most interesting finding of all is that these spiritual feelings are correlated with decreased activity in the right side of the brain, and people with brain damage to this area feel them more strongly.

Decreased brain activity leads to religion?  Isn’t this what atheists have been saying all along? :D

Thank God For Kidney Stones?

Fazale Rana over at Reasons To Believe argues that a jagged mineral buildup tearing its way through a kidney is evidence of a perfect designer.  No no, not in the way that literally going to hell would likely suggest a designer.  Kidney stones are merely a consequence of the best system like rape is a consequence of free will, neither of which God could fix apparently.

The significant portion of the article focuses on one of the causes of kidney stones, excess uric acid.  This breakdown product of DNA & RNA isn’t particularly soluble in blood, having the effect of accumulating in the urinary tract.  Rana attempts to refute the claims made by evolutionists that this imperfect process would indicate imperfect design.  He counters with “This perspective fails to consider, however, uric acid’s full range of metabolic properties, some of which are beneficial.”  He then goes on to list one, disguised as several: it’s an antioxidant.

The most prominent instance of blunder is the description of the cause of excess uric acid production: “an inborn error in metabolism”.  It sounds as though the argument is basically “your system can fuck up a bit, but when that happens, it’s not always all bad”.

Minor cancer prevention is not evidence of a perfect designer that could have abolished cancer.  Sickle cell anemia is not evidence of a perfect designer that could have abolished malaria.  Sorry, creationists, but your “fall of man” analogy doesn’t help you here.  God made a jungle, and cast us out into it, but at least he loves us enough to give us a stick to protect ourselves with.  Great. . .

Abiogenesis, Spontaneous Generation, and Thermodynamics

Many creationists like to claim that abiogenesis violates scientific principles in that living matter cannot come from non-living matter.  At least they’re consistent in the literalistic interpretation of wording that leads them to lunacy.  Their misunderstanding of the meaning of abiogenesis and spontaneous generation is staggering.

Amino acids combining into primitive RNA is not the same as a bird spawning from a tree or a frog materializing out of thin air.  That sounds closer to what the creationist is asserting as to the origins of life, with divine intervention of course.

Secondly, an even more common claim is that evolution (chemical or biological) violates the second law of thermodynamics in that things tend to become more disorderly over time, contradicting with the increasing complexity of organisms within the theory of evolution.  If you subscribe to that assumption, you can do your own research.  I just have one thing to say on that: pregnancy.

But, dogmatically misinterpreting principles referring to certain situations is very much like if I were to make the following argument.

Creationism violates the first law of thermodynamics which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.  If energy cannot be created, God could not have created it.

It’s a funny argument though.

Law of Rational Susceptibility

I hear time and time again bible thumpers saying things to atheists such as “I have faith in the bible, and you have faith in reason.  It’s the same thing.”  One cannot have faith in reason, by definition.  However, even if we give the bible believer the benefit of the doubt, and acknowledge their assertion as true, it doesn’t help their argument at all.  Biblical faith is dependent on reason in that one must make rational judgements to read and understand the text.  Most importantly, it requires “this, therefore that” calculations, a core component of rational thought, linking one thing to the next.  Reason must precede biblical understanding.  Therefore, we can conclude the following given x = biblical faith.

If. . .

1) x is dependent upon reason,

2) reason can be independent of x, and

3) reason abrogates x, then

4) x must be void

Then we’re back to where we were.  The preceding points demonstrate that biblical faith demands the ability to make rational calculations.  If that ability is invalid, then so is the belief in the bible.  However, this doesn’t demonstrate that reason does vitiate biblical faith; it just demands that it be susceptible to rational arguement.

Huzzah!  Back to the ring!

Atheist Anti-evolutionist?

For quite awhile I wondered if there were any atheists that rejected the Theory of Evolution. Though religious folks are divided on the matter, for the most part, secularists have been in agreement. However, I never noticed the one right under my nose: David Berlinski. As a member of the Discovery Institute, I had assumed he would agree with the intelligent design mantra of that organization.

The first thought is intrigue as to what would remain in respect to the origin of life should both the God hypothesis and the theory of evolution be rejected, and how could one not side with either?  Then I realized he’s actually in the second best position (the first being accepting of evolution, of course).  If one is inadequate, then the other doesn’t win by default.  It must also be supported by the evidence.  His view, not motivated by religious dogma, rejected both as insufficient, and then takes the perfect stance when without explanation: “I don’t know.”

Oh No! Bush Isn’t Christian Enough!

Haha

On a Nightline interview, President Bush said that the bible is “probably not” literally true, and it’s “not incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution”.  Come on, creationists.  If Bush can do it. . .

Ken Ham thinks he needs a bible lesson.  More in Ham’s blog.

Future of Intelligent Design

It’s obvious where the creationists are going next with their tireless efforts to overthrow Darwin: “teach the controversy”.  After the death knell of teaching of creationism and intelligent design, being ruled unconstitutional as religiously motivated pseudoscience, it’s obvious they’re not bringing a designer back into the picture just yet.  However, as we recall, their beef with evolution is only superficially scientific.  These are the people that regard evolution as a source of ills in the world, as expressed in this cartoon. Teach us we come from monkeys, and we’ll act like monkeys, huh?  Well, anyhow, the Discovery Institute has a textbook out called Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism.

Teaching the strengths and weaknesses of a theory sounds pretty good, right?

Well, if that’s really what it was, then yeah.  However, it doesn’t contain legitimate critics of the theory, just the rehashed junk like the supposed irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum that has already been debunked.  Secondly, teaching REAL problems with a theory are fine.  The trouble arises when one theory is focused on with a death grip for obvious reasons.

I’m reminded of the Cobb County “warning” stickers on biology textbooks:

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.”

This sticker tells kids “We’re absolutely sure about everything in this book except for evolution, so you don’t need to critically consider cell biology, ecology, etc.”  Why limit it to biology?  I won’t even get in to that one, or that the sticker suggests theories are opposed to facts.  I much prefer Ken Miller’s rewrite:

“This textbook contains material on science.  Science is built around theories which are strongly supported by factual evidence.  Everything in science should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

Thirdly, it would be nice to teach the strengths and genuine weaknesses of every idea, however, we have to consider who we’re teaching.  These are freshman biology books for a class in which evolution is a small part.  Not only are these kids lacking the know-how to understand these higher end biological concepts to really understand these strengths and declarations of weakness, but the courses don’t have enough time to cover it, much less prepare students to analyze something outside a general biological overview.  Such things, if cogent, would be better saved for a higher end biology course.

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